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Raise the pH with soda ash
Nov 08th, 2005, 4:37pm
 
I have a small package plant that only does 11,000 gpd. My pH in the 2 aeration zones is down to 5.4. I'd like to raise it & heard that soda ash is good for this.  I have 2 500 gal. mixing tanks with mixers along with metering pumps.  Is there a formula for figuring how much soda ash to mix with water & how much to set the metering pumps for dosing?

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Reply #1 - Nov 8th, 2005, 10:13pm
 
Dogs:

You need a pH meter and a sample of soda ash (sodium carbonate). Make a water solution of soda ash with a known weight of material, and titrate a known volume sample of the wastewater to whatever pH level you wish to maintain. From the amount of soda ash/water solution used, calculate the weight of soda ash used and ratio and proportion these values to the 11,000 gallons/day that require treatment.

When you know the amount of soda ash required per unit period of time, you can easily calculate the stock solution  of soda ash for your storage tanks and the rate of injection of that solution per unit period of time with a known wastewater flow.
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Re: Raise the pH with soda ash
Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2005, 3:39am
 
Dogs:

I have a surface water plant. We used to use soda ash before switching over to a caustic soda. Although we used a Volumetric Dry Feeder, Orenda's solution procedure works just the same. You will notice a coating forming in the tanks all around the edges and even on your mixers. I wouldn't let that get to thick before cleaning it off. It won't affect your treatment, but it's kinda troublesome. It will cling to your mixers shaft in the water especially, and weigh it down considerably. That will put strain on that motor. Always keep those mixers going. We even ran our mixers with the plant off. Good luck! Since you have a small storage tank, and a metering pump you could even try caustic soda. It's a little dangerous. A lot of saftey involved but you don't have to deal with bags or mixing. We get it just a little cheaper than soda ash here. So expense wise probably wouldn't be that different for you.
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Re: Raise the pH with soda ash
Reply #3 - Nov 11th, 2005, 3:53pm
 
3 questions;

Is it best to raise the pH in the anoxic zones (they are before my aeration zones) or just raise pH in the aeration zones?

Is anarobic bacteria affected by pH?

Is caustic soda a liquid?

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Re: Raise the pH with soda ash
Reply #4 - Nov 11th, 2005, 4:23pm
 
Yes, yes, and yes.  Shocked  If you pH affects the activated sludge, you have the same microbes in the anoxic zone as in the aeration zone. pH and alkalinity control is important in anerobic treatment. Caustic soda is commercially available as a liquid in concentrations up to 50%, but 25% solutions have the minimum freezing point. Flake caustic soda (sodium hydroxide) is also available, but the solutions are usually easier to use.

With the low flow rates, manual control, and lack of instrumentation, soda ash and Orenda's advice will be less likely to cause you control problems.

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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2005, 12:52pm
 
Dogs,
I'm curious why the pH has dropped.  If you are nitrifying and not fully de-nitrifying and there is limited alkalinity buffering in your raw sewage then I expect that is what may be causing it.  pH 5.4 will kill nitrifiers very quickly.

Can you tell us the raw and effluent alkalinity, and the ammonia in and out as well as the effluent nitrate?

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Re: Raise the pH with soda ash
Reply #6 - Nov 18th, 2005, 2:17am
 
I have a package plant which averages 100,000 GPD it consists of ( 2 ) separate trains. Each train has ( 3 ) anoxia zones and ( 3 ) aeration tanks. I add ( 1 ) 50 pound bag of
soda ash to the 2nd aeration tank and to the 2nd anox tank by just pouring it directly into each tank slowly which takes me approximately 3-5 minutes per bag. My pH raises 3 to 5 points by the next day, You may want to try this, also remember the plants pH is usually the last indicator of other more serious problems so you may have other issues to address also.
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Re: Raise the pH with soda ash
Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2005, 4:27am
 
Geoff wrote on Nov 13th, 2005, 12:52pm:
Dogs,
I'm curious why the pH has dropped.  If you are nitrifying and not fully de-nitrifying and there is limited alkalinity buffering in your raw sewage then I expect that is what may be causing it.  pH 5.4 will kill nitrifiers very quickly.

Can you tell us the raw and effluent alkalinity, and the ammonia in and out as well as the effluent nitrate?

Cheers

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Raw inf. is usually at a pH of 6.8 and  the Eff. is about at the 5.4 mark. Ammonia inf. is around 66 - 77 mg/L and Eff. is 4 to a Non Detect so I am nitrifying.  My problem is I'm not able to de-nitrify or not as much as I'd like to. Inf. Nitrate is a non detect and eff. Nitrate is anywhere from 17 to 28 mg/l.  
MLSS on last weeks test was 2000.
BOD inf is around 150 and Eff is 4 - 5.

Began adding soda ash last week. It brought up the pH to 6.8 this morning. I have a 500 gal. vat that trickle feeds the #1 anoxic zone.  

Hoping for better test results next week what with the rise in pH. Smiley

Rooster; I contemplated adding the soda ash like that but wasn't sure if it would cause problems putting a large amount in all at once.  Now I know if my pup fails I can just dump it in!

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Re: Raise the pH with soda ash
Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2005, 1:49pm
 
Dogs,
Oxidizing an influent NH4 of 66 to 77 is going to chew up about 500 mg/L of alkalinity.  The amount of denitrification you indicate will recover about 180mg/L.  You need to target an effluent alk of 50+mg/L.  The influent pH of 6.8 indicates a lowish alk.  If you know your influent alk then you can work out the dose rate if you know the equivalent strength (do a google for this) of soda ash to bicarbonate alkalinity.

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Reply #9 - Nov 21st, 2005, 11:37pm
 
Geoff,
I Googled soda ash to bicarbonate alkalinity. Now I have a better understanding Wink  ... somewhat Roll Eyes

My Inf alk. is 120 mg/L with a pH of 7.2
Eff alk. is 180 mg/l and pH is 6.9 with a week of adding soda ash.  

Should I be using bicarb instead of soda ash to keep pH up and try to lower the alk since it's this high?


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Reply #10 - Nov 22nd, 2005, 12:04pm
 
Dogs,
An influent alkalinity of 120mg/L is quite low.  Most sewage I deal with is about 260.  Catchments with water drawn from the ground that has lots of limestone gets to around 330.  Thus pH correction is often not necessary.

I refered to bicarbonate alkalinity as the standard test measures the buffering capacity in terms of bicarbonate; you can use a whole range of pH correction chemicals. Such as:.

Limestone (CaCO3)                           1.00*
Magnesium oxide (MgO)                           0.40*
Slaked lime (Ca(OH)2)                            0.74*
Caustic soda (NaOH)                            0.80*
Quick lime (Calcium oxide) (CaO)             0.56*
Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3)                 1.68*
Ammonia gas (NH3)                          0.34*

*Chemical equivalent (mg) to 1mg of CaCO3

Cost effectiveness, handling and safety issues should be the guide.

Geoff


PS
Once nitrification/denitrificaion stablizes you can trim the dose rates to get the alk down closer to 50.  It doesn't hurt being above 50, it's just to make sure you don't waste $.  But keep it above 50!!

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Re: Raise the pH with soda ash
Reply #11 - Jan 10th, 2011, 1:07pm
 
Excuse me, maybe i´m too late. But can anybody tell how to estimate alcalinity of an influent. I´m not familiar with this measure. Also, how do you relate the consuption of alcalinity to nitrification?

I started working on a plant with a complete mix system and with three separate aerobic reactors. Even though the influent is the same for each reactor only one is having low ph problems (5.4 aprox). The other to are at 6,8 and 7.3. I´ve been trying to find wich is the best compound and method to neutralize it. That´s how i ended up in this post.

Is there a way to control nitrification and denitrification on a plant with complete mixing.

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